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Louis, Louis, Always Whining ...

Journal Entry: Tue Feb 5, 2013, 10:39 PM
"I'm not whining, I'm complaining. Do you want to hear whining?" -- www.youtube.com/watch?feature=…

Okay, no, on a more serious note: I've just had to re-draw the last two days' worth of frames and in-betweens for Louis because I realized I'd been drawing him "wrong".

Throughout Louis's character progress he's undergone several changes, most based on my own personal decisions, but many were also due to feedback from you guys here on DA, and I realise now that the "Louis is too skinny I don't like it" comments got to me more than they should have.

What these people don't realize is that Louis is ridiculously tall and skinny on purpose: he's a cartoon. He's not meant to be realistic, he's meant to be an exaggeration of the flamboyant gay stereotype, the skinny French stereotype, and his design reflects his wiles and cunning when it comes to out-witting his opponents. Out of all his design evolutions, this below still remains my favorite:



It's older art I realize, and the color scheme is out of date, but that to me was his most fun and most "accurate" design. It's also the point in time when I still had the most fun drawing him, and from this point on I'm going to try to go back to that style. If I'm going to be animating him frame after frame - and if I'm going to be drawing him panel after panel to tell his story in a graphic novel - then I want to have fun doing it. These proportions and caricatures for faces and body types also make it more fun to design his crew and other characters he will be interacting with in his world.

If cartoony styles aren't your thing then I'm sorry, but there are plenty of other artists out there you can find with more "realistic" proportions. Louis was, is, and always should be "fun".

Besides ... you could always just go to my sister's account to see him with more "realistic" proportions:

Fais Pas Chier by threevoices


There. Just had to get that off my chest. Now, back to those frames ...


--Sak

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:iconelectricpoodle:
ElectricPoodle Featured By Owner Feb 13, 2013  Hobbyist Traditional Artist
Louis is too skinny....and I LOVE it! Keep to your guns on his design, cartoony is never bad thing! :) Good luck with the frames!
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Moveforwards Featured By Owner Feb 10, 2013
I love that he's super skinny!!! :3
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Ma-Junior Featured By Owner Feb 8, 2013   General Artist
Hey he's yer guy, personally I do like his 'cartoony' appearance.
And it's important for you to have fun with him as well.
No point in drawing something that your not going to have fun with, forced art never goes well.
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kitty-eared-girl Featured By Owner Feb 8, 2013  Hobbyist General Artist
This is an art site. People need to learn what it means to have stylized characters. Personally, considering where you drew the inspiration for Louis from, I thought his frame/build was quite fitting.


Hope those frames are going well!
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JessicaBlood Featured By Owner Feb 8, 2013
He's still a huge stereotype and the fact the only gay character in this...series(?) runs around molesting straight men is rather offensive.
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Canadian-Rainwater Featured By Owner Feb 15, 2013  Professional Filmographer
Oh, gee, I wonder if being a stereotype was intentional at all.
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Yetac Featured By Owner Feb 7, 2013  Hobbyist Artisan Crafter
Thaaat's just what I've been thinking about when I read the comments. I love that he's a cartoon, and I love love LOVE dem curls! lol
Sorry you have to redo some of the work though. :P Still eagerly awaiting the finished film. SO COOL! ZOMG! :excited:
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Murielle Featured By Owner Feb 7, 2013
I always figure that Louis' stick-figure is a nod towards the go-to style of fashion designers. Look at those lovely wispy bodies and Louis fits in ever so perfectly. And his proportions are not that out of line for animation, look at Clopin, Ling from Mulan or even Arthur from The Sword & the Stone. If they should be complaining about anyone, I would say complain about James for looking too normal in comparison. XD

In the end, they are your babies. People can complain all they want and deal with it. I am sure they would complain about the aforementioned characters too, but the difference is that they only get to see those characters when finished and unchangeable. You get the feed back from them during the whole of the process. Listen to the voices you trust, most of all the one inside yourself.
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Canadian-Rainwater Featured By Owner Feb 15, 2013  Professional Filmographer
I did indeed keep those ridiculous proportions in mind when I designed him. Someone as fashion-conscious as him would be only too happy to show off the ideal model figure for fashion drawing.
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Murielle Featured By Owner Feb 15, 2013
Haha, every walk down the street is a cat-walk strut when you walk with Louis.
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Canadian-Rainwater Featured By Owner Feb 16, 2013  Professional Filmographer
It's the heels ... of course.
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AnnRita45 Featured By Owner Feb 7, 2013  Hobbyist General Artist
honestly, i think him being skinny to that extent kinda makes the character bio mor interesting. i am not gonna pull the whole "he is awesome as is, go suck it" at this point because people have their own opinions, and also the fact it isnt that mature to say things like that. i know that you have had many issues with those who are fans of your work, but to be frank, this is going to happen. i am not saying you should alter him, for i like the fact that his design is what it is, but i feel you shouldnt waste your precious time with those who are trying to get you to turn a cartoon character of your own creation into something he/she is not.

after all, isnt it bad enough that turning him, james and the spanish dude into animations bad enough??? how many times have you wanted to quite due to so much work and detail that has to be "just right" in order to make this series look like a cartoon animation???
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DaMushroom Featured By Owner Feb 7, 2013  Hobbyist Artist
the call was co entertaining and apparently your critics like copying the character they bash-Because they;re Whining. I love Louis the way he is so they can go complain somewhere else, the french debonair is amazing
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AzrielBlade Featured By Owner Feb 7, 2013
By Cthuhu's pornographic beard! My stomach hurts from laughing so much from that call!
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MayJackson Featured By Owner Feb 6, 2013
I think it's fun that you make him so thin, because that makes it out of the ordinary when you draw a 'regular' picture of him - and it makes making more realistically proportioned fanart more fun. Most successful cartoons have very pushed proportions, so I think you're doing the right thing by sticking to your guns. It's more fun to look at when the characters are so different :) Best of luck with your animation project! Don't spend toooooo much time re-doing things when you have so much on your plate atm though.... :)
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Aara-Cenz Featured By Owner Feb 6, 2013  Hobbyist General Artist
I like sassy poofy thinner-thain-chopstick Louis just the way he is if people can't deal with it I'm sure he could fire them out of a cannon or something keep doing what you're doing anyone who doesn't like it can leave
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InkSpot823 Featured By Owner Feb 6, 2013
All I could think the whole way through this was, "You go girl!" :D But seriously, you're art work is yours, and you should be doing what makes you feel best. It's a release. :)

... PS.
I LOVE how Twiggy Louis is. It's adorable. :heart: Makes me want to pick him up and walk away with him. ^_^
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AnnRita45 Featured By Owner Feb 7, 2013  Hobbyist General Artist
which probably wouldnt be too hard, since he may not weigh that much...who knows???
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LureLight Featured By Owner Feb 6, 2013  Professional Traditional Artist
O< M< G good luck thats ruff!
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Daughter-of-Shadow Featured By Owner Feb 6, 2013  Hobbyist General Artist
I've always been a sucker for long limbs, thin bodies, and sharp angles on drawn characters, regardless of whether they are anime, manga, or cartoon. Louis is perfect. :D
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BellaSylph Featured By Owner Feb 6, 2013  Hobbyist General Artist
I had no idea there was any change....meh, still love the character.
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Farbjous Featured By Owner Feb 6, 2013
I admit I'm one of those who comment on his weight, and if I seemed negative I'm apologize. I just never seen anyone design a charater like this before and I just worry about his health like he's a real person.
I really am sorry and really do love Louis's design and would want him no other way than the way he his...

Exept a real person. That would make him better. :)
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Canadian-Rainwater Featured By Owner Feb 15, 2013  Professional Filmographer
If Louis existed as a real person he wouldn't be skinny, though. I imagine him with a body type not unlike Pete Burns in the music video "Save You All My Kisses", which is slender but not anorexically skinny like most androgynous male models. In my head he's an exaggeration of that body type, which is why I guess he's not unhealthy to me, just exaggerated.
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AnnRita45 Featured By Owner Feb 7, 2013  Hobbyist General Artist
see, this in a way makes sense. as a carton, his health may be fine, it may not be. i think she is more reffering to those who say he is terrible due to the lankiness, not nessessarily that he might not have the greatest health. plus, this is a cartoon, and cartoon logic tends to be very funky and out there at times...

sorry, but my obsession with animated things beeged me to comment on this, and further the whole RLvs CL (real life vs cartton logic, for those who would care to know...)
@ any rate, i just wanted to point this out...
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InSight0ut Featured By Owner Feb 6, 2013  Hobbyist General Artist
My art teacher always tells me and my classmates that exaggeration in KEY since it makes things more interesting and unrealistic, which makes us LIKE it! We know its a cartoon, but we love the characters too much to think of them like that <3
And I like how stereotypical you make Louis! It (OBVIOUSLY) shows how flamboyant he is and the caked makeup shows that he's no "low-rent" pirate..... and because it's like a mask and you'll never show us what's under it probably until something utterly really heart-retching happens D:
In short: He's your character and you should do what you'd wish to him!
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AnnRita45 Featured By Owner Feb 7, 2013  Hobbyist General Artist
well said, VERY well said!!!
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Kitsune-WingStar Featured By Owner Feb 6, 2013  Hobbyist Digital Artist
Louis is your charter so you should draw however you want
Personally I like Louis’s’ long legs and skinny frame it stands out nicely against the other charters design.
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Pluie-Froide Featured By Owner Feb 6, 2013  Student General Artist
But exaggeration is the best thing you can do to a character! Caricatures are my favorite; personality shines through them. Only draw your character realistically if they themselves are just that realistic.
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CanisLuka Featured By Owner Feb 6, 2013  Hobbyist Writer
Louis' unrealistic proportions are one of my favourite things about him! It's a characteristic that really stands out and makes him quite memorable.
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Fated-Wings Featured By Owner Feb 6, 2013  Professional Digital Artist
[link] This is what happened after listening to your podcasts
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Canadian-Rainwater Featured By Owner Feb 15, 2013  Professional Filmographer
Oh dear ... Louis! Get off of him!
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Fated-Wings Featured By Owner Feb 15, 2013  Professional Digital Artist
I don't think Louis is going to let go for the world
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EpicMonsterCat Featured By Owner Feb 6, 2013   Artist
There will always be people who don't agree with some of the things you have drawn. Just remember that there are many more of us that love your style and brighten up when we see every new piece that you upload! :)
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:iconcanadian-rainwater:
Canadian-Rainwater Featured By Owner Feb 15, 2013  Professional Filmographer
And you're the ones that count. =)
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EpicMonsterCat Featured By Owner Feb 15, 2013   Artist
Yes! Yes we are!! :hug: asdfghjk
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Tarnisis Featured By Owner Feb 6, 2013  Hobbyist Writer
Louis' character has always been skinny and and incredibly tall, and I find that it suits him perfectly. People who have a problem with the way you design your characters should just shove off. It is your character after all.

But on another note, I'm super excited for the animation! I just saw the intro with James and I screamed like a little girl! I cannot wait to see the final product! Though I know that the work load will proably make you go mad. But I know that it will be a wonderful thing to see.

Anyway, hang in there. You are an amazing artist with beautiful characters! Don't let anyone get ya down. :aww:
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Canadian-Rainwater Featured By Owner Feb 15, 2013  Professional Filmographer
A bit late on the replying wagon, but thank you! All this support here has really helped to keep me motivated every time the stress starts to get overwhelming again.
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Tarnisis Featured By Owner Feb 15, 2013  Hobbyist Writer
No worries, I know that you're busy. And I'm glad that we fans actually have helped. ^^

And you're very welcome! I love your work! :heart:
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SqueekSquirrel Featured By Owner Feb 6, 2013   General Artist
I happen to love how Louis looks. Change him because You want to, not some silly person saying hes to this or that. =I
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sympstig Featured By Owner Feb 6, 2013
As much as I try to keep anatomy correct in my own work, it's mostly because it's hard for me to create non-anatomically correct work. I love the fact that Louis is so stick thin. It's something I admire because I know I could never do it myself. I can't wait to see the final animation. :)
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annaannad693 Featured By Owner Feb 6, 2013  Student General Artist
This is your character and people have no right trying to make changes. You do as you see fit.
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WarriorNun Featured By Owner Feb 6, 2013  Hobbyist Traditional Artist
That's the whole point about cartoons!

They are supposed to be unrealistic!

I mean, look at anime! They have rainbow hair!

Look at Yugi! What's wrong with his hair?!
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ShadowKnightSociety Featured By Owner Feb 6, 2013  Hobbyist Digital Artist
I can't believe people are complaining about that! I thought it was something like, "Oh his jacket got shorter." or something minor like that. Cartoons are cartoons just like you said! They don't have to be proportional to be "correct". The uniquely shaped characters are even more memorable than your generic body ones!
Louis's skinny body makes him what he is and I love that about him! I can easily spot Louis among the deviations in my watch inbox. Sak, draw your characters however you want because however you make them is perfect to me!
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MaliksPersonality Featured By Owner Feb 6, 2013
I agree with ~toony-tornado's comment

"I love how YOU draw him, he's charming, he's funny, the outfits he wears are spectacular, and his body structure is what makes everything just seem to pop out at me. To me, it's what makes him 'Louis'

I LOVE cartoons, and when I see characters that have different body structures from 'normal' looking ones, like Genie from 'Aladdin' or Jack from 'Nightmare before Christmas', I just think it adds so much more to their personalities.

I already think you draw Louis perfectly, but if you decide you want to make some changes, do it because YOU want to, not because of people who don't completely appreciate him told you to do it!"

ignore the naysayers!!! Louis is perfect!
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Peaniko Featured By Owner Feb 6, 2013  Student Digital Artist
But his being tall and thin is part of... him! It's such a contrast to the body types of Santiago and James. Besides if he weren't so tall all that lovely hair would have to be trimmed! Eh can't please everyone and some people will never be pleased by anything.
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Toony-Tornado Featured By Owner Feb 6, 2013
Pssha, 'he's too skinny', Louis looks great just the way he is.
Granted, he also looks great in that realistic picture. But I love how YOU draw him, he's charming, he's funny, the outfits he wears are spectacular, and his body structure is what makes everything just seem to pop out at me. To me, it's what makes him 'Louis'

I LOVE cartoons, and when I see characters that have different body structures from 'normal' looking ones, like Genie from 'Aladdin' or Jack from 'Nightmare before Christmas', I just think it adds so much more to their personalities.

I already think you draw Louis perfectly, but if you decide you want to make some changes, do it because YOU want to, not because of people who don't completely appreciate him told you to do it!
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Littlecutekiller Featured By Owner Feb 6, 2013  Student General Artist
Don't listen to them! Your resign is perfect the way it is and I love it!
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Littlecutekiller Featured By Owner Feb 6, 2013  Student General Artist
design* pardon XD
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CythIthera Featured By Owner Feb 6, 2013  Student Digital Artist
Well said! Hehe ^_^
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Gnoll-El Featured By Owner Feb 6, 2013
Those who don't like it don't have to look at it. Sometimes, no matter how talented and interesting an artist is, the subject isn't appealing and you need to leave.
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